Trinity Blood fic: Inception & a small rant

[narcasse]

Inception G. AU. Post Empire arc. Spoilers for Stories Untold VII. 1717 words.
It’s hard for rebels to do anything but succeed when their leader is a martyr.


On another Trinity Blood note I’m beginning to wonder if one fandom perception that I keep arguing against stems from the fact that Caterina and siblings are all the illegitimate children of the previous pope. Because I keep coming across the notion that allegedly the Catholic Church has changed to the degree that clergy can marry which isn’t at all supported in canon. It’s not alluded to at all and the only evidence I can see that supposedly supports this is the fact that Gregorio XXX canonically fathered three children and recognised them enough that they could obtain positions of power within the Church. Which would be a fine argument if they were legitimate and in reality popes recognising illegitimate offspring and raising them to positions of power hadn’t happened before, Pope Alexander VI being the most glaring example.
Maybe it’s just me but has nobody heard the name Borgia anymore?


Also, today it's finally dawned on me to look up the spelling of Guderian’s name in my copy of Canon. And it turns out that it ought to be spelt ‘グデーリアン’ so at least I can change the appropriate tag which has read ‘牙’ for lack of inspiration for quite some time.

Comments

[blasphemiliar.livejournal.com]

I enjoyed reading Inception. It made me think about Seth, who has had almost 1000 years to grow up but still insists on playing Princess in her high tower. She is canonically stubborn, isn't she? Like a rock. And she can't do anything about the incoming tide, unless someone actually bothers to go out and save such an ill-placed lump. Hmm...I appear to be turning into Baybars, because I definitely wouldn't bother to cut her free.

But enough of that strangely satisfying Seth-hate. And on to what is probably going to turn into church-hate. I'd have to agree that TB canon doesn't make any allusion to a Catholic church which allows married clergy. One source I have states that Gregorio XXX was just a lecher, and that's not enough to comment on marital status. But there's something I don't understand with this illegitimate children business. If Francesco, Caterina and Allessandro are all the illegitimate offspring of the former pope, and Francesco was unable to become pope because of this, then how the hell was Allessandro able? I know his half-siblings supported him, but wouldn't his being an illegitimate child disqualify him for the position of pope? Maybe it's just a plot-hole.

[reichsfreiherr.livejournal.com]

Seth is glorious failure in a nutshell. She has all the positive attributes that anyone could wish for and yet still she fails spectacularly. Granted, you could probably argue similar of Dietrich but in his case he willingly embraces his damnation and that speaks more about his self-awareness which is something that Seth just doesn’t appear to have. But then Seth really is a character I love to hate because of all her unfulfilled potential. If you glance over my theories about the series I’m sure at least half of them are long-winded explanations of why Seth went wrong .

The business of Francesco being disqualified due to his illegitimacy is as levyrasputin has pointed out a fault of that abomination that is Wikipedia. Though if anybody did want to cling to such things as a citable sources it would be easy enough to suggest that because Caterina had the support of the elder Cardinals she might have deliberately upheld that rule only to change it when she felt that Alessandro was old enough to be crowned Pope, thereby baring Francesco from the papal throne for as long as she needed to cultivate a suitable replacement. That said, with this (http://imperial-artist.livejournal.com/468202.html) sort of idiocy being regular Wikipedia fare, well...

[levy.livejournal.com]

For me at least, the confusion stems from some - wrong - infos about Francesco being excluded from the role of Pope because illegitimate son of the previous pope - I guess it was on Wikipedia profile by the time I first check it, not so sure it has been edited later. Since Alessandro was otherwise elected Pope, one may infer that he's not illegitimate, and therefore that the Pope is allowed to recognize some of his sons, and that he did with Alessandro but not with Francesco. It's a forgivable fallacy, afterall.

In the novels, that are now more accessible but,I guess, the less spread Trinity Blood canon material, it's otherwise said that Francesco's mother is of too humble descent, unlike Alessandro's mother, tha belongs to 'the most noble roman family'. I tried to research wich family is supposed to be but failed ^^;;

[blasphemiliar.livejournal.com]

Thank you. And I guess I will have to find the original novels if I want any solid facts about Trinity Blood. I used a few booklets that came with the DVD box-set. Bad choice for reliable story info, especially if there are pages that are missing/repeated/complete BS.

[levy.livejournal.com]

The novels are, in my opinion, the best this fandom has to offer, but the three trinity-verse (manga, anime and novels) got some differences in plot, rendition of characters and storytelling, that one can easily consider them non-canonical to each other.
I fear I'm making things more confused than anything, but, in short, if you want to write a fic about the anime sticking to anime canon and you specify it, none can criticize that you miss some informations that are present only in the novels, and some part of the manga. Anyway, the novels are a very nice reading, you won't be disappointed =)

[blasphemiliar.livejournal.com]

Well, I actually have two of the novels: R.A.M. 1 and 3. Couldn't find 2 for some reason. I agree they are the best to go by when writing fics (partly because they're the source for all the other adaptations) but I can't bring myself to read them often because the language is...well, if something should be put into English, it makes sense to have a few native speakers check over it. Even if Sunao Yoshida wasn't the best writer in Japanese, it doesn't excuse the obvious mistakes in the English translation. Unless he did make spelling mistakes in Japanese that the translator felt should be included in the English translation, in which case I will have to find someway to get the Japanese publications and improve my reading for said language.

I will take time here to insert a small apology to imperial_artist for wasting time in this entry by diverging off the original topic. Even if you don't have a problem with this, I feel it is as if I have entered your house to move furniture and ended up eating all your food instead. All the while leaving nasty crumbs everywhere to be vacuumed up.

[levy.livejournal.com]

Oh, if you are able to read japanese, all the best for you. The english version has some obvious mistake (I wanted to try the spanish one but it was so damn impossible to put my hands on it for a reasonable amount of money, and I gave up XD) and a low quality translation, but it's still better than nothing. ^^;

*whoops!* you are right, LOL.*tries to hide the crumbs under the carpet* Hi Narsus, want one cookie?

[reichsfreiherr.livejournal.com]

I don’t particularly mind discussion at all. Perhaps I can even use this as evidence that my salon is so fashionable that people will attend it even when I’m not there.

[reichsfreiherr.livejournal.com]

I refuse to believe that the English language novels are at all edited because they read like the genuinely enterprising attempt of a translator at being helpful. They were just being kind and trying to make things easier on the editor when they unscrambled some of the sentences, that’s all but alas the editor didn’t do anything at all thus we’re left with this rubbish.

[blasphemiliar.livejournal.com]

*zips up size 10 boot*

Well, I guess it's time to do something to contribute to the TB fandom (and maybe even the English language). According to that ever so wise program 'The Simpsons' my country metes out punishment by way of a well-placed boot, which is a stereotype the editor should be scared that I live down to.